add bicycle=dismount to standard preset

[mkoniecz]

Ok for revert but this is not blocking sorry.

[skyper]

There is no wiki page and I only find it under ​Bicycle.

At least in Germany this sign is unofficial and either it is a path with only foot=designated where you are allowed to push your bicycle or it is a path with bicycle=yes/designated where your are allowed to ride your bike.

[Don-vip]

Used ​22k times and in several countries (at least UK, Germany, Czech Republic):
​http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cyclist_dismount_signs

-> OK

[Don-vip]

In 6297/josm:

fix #9158 - add bicycle=dismount to internal preset

[skyper]

I still do not like it and it makes only sense to me at nodes with barriers, where you can push your bike but not ride. As I already said at least in Germany this sign is unofficial and is not backed up by law.

Did you check if this tag was introduced by an import ?

[skyper]

Replying to Don-vip:

Used ​22k times

Yeah, and 14790 times in combination with highway=footway which implies vehicle=no, e.g.completely useless and I will always delete this non-sense tag.

[skyper]

Ok, the ​discussion on tagging@osm seems to manifest that bicycle=dismount is not the tag we need/want here.

Please revert r6297 for now and we hopefully get a decision on a better tag within a week or two.

[skyper]

Replying to skyper:

Ok, the ​discussion on tagging@osm seems to manifest that bicycle=dismount is not the tag we need/want here.

Please revert r6297 for now and we hopefully get a decision on a better tag within a week or two.

It is clear that bicycle=dismount does not work and that an new tag like pushing_bicycle=yes/no is needed as bicycle=* is only about cycling and not about pushing bikes.

Once more please revert r6297. - Thanks

[skyper]

Release blocker, please revert before release.

[Don-vip]

OK for revert but this is not blocking

[skyper]

Replying to Don-vip:

OK for revert but this is not blocking

Well, I miss release blocker. Sure it is only a simple revert and no "real" issue.

[Don-vip]

Blocker means you can't use a major function :) I'll revert this tonight

[mrwojo]

FYI, this ticket was linked from the tagging list: ​https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-October/015447.html

[Don-vip]

In 6345/josm:

see #9158 - revert r6297

[skyper]

Guess this is a "wontfix" now.

[poutnikl]

what is then recommended way to mark bridging few meters not allowed to ride,
instead of a kilometer long alternative way ?

As marking it as free riding is not proper either.
BTW bicycling - as opposite to cars - is about pushing bikes as well, e.g. off road or on tracks

[anonymous]

not allowed or able by physical state.

[skyper]

Replying to poutnikl:

what is then recommended way to mark bridging few meters not allowed to ride,
instead of a kilometer long alternative way ?

Somethimg like bicycle_pushing=no

As marking it as free riding is not proper either.
BTW bicycling - as opposite to cars - is about pushing bikes as well, e.g. off road or on tracks

I do not know where you map but in most parts of the world you are considered a pedestrian when pushing a bicycle and have to oblige the rules for pedestrians.

[miklcct]

There is a sign called "cycling restriction" listed in ​http://www.td.gov.hk/mini_site/cic/en/cycling-infrastructure/signs-and-markings/useful-signs.html in Hong Kong. This tag is exactly for that purpose. It is used to mark a section of cycleway which you must "get off the bike" to proceed.